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By karolinakitty On 2011.07.26 10:56
I should have done this awhile ago..but we got into other medical issues and left this slide.....

Could I ask you all to help with a survey, dealing with these snack attacks, ad feeding frenzy's in the middle of the night?

Question:
If your PDer gets these food cravings and early am feeding frenzy's, are they on prescription sleep aids like Ambien, Sonata, Lonesta, Xanax, Klonopin or any others i haven't listed?
Just a yes or no would be good...Our specialist is at a teaching hospital and i think it would help future Pder's.

By HappyPuppy On 2011.07.26 11:35
(Yes snack/No sleepaid) - I was going to test putting little (or big?) signs up that say "No snacking after midnight" but If I'm not there to enforce it, I doubt it will do anything.... My dad is a midnight snacker and he is not on any sleepaids (except melatonin) but I don't think he had taken any the night I spent and watched him cruise around the apartment all night long. What I asked "whatcha doin'?" the reply was, "Food." LOL

By mytngenes On 2011.07.26 12:42
Yes to snack attack, no to sleep aid-although he may take a Xanax on an avg of 3 pills per month due to anxiety attacks.

By abp0822 On 2011.07.26 16:21
My father is constantly snacking but not during the night. It's like he's forgotten he just ate or his brain never realizes he's full. My mother (his caregiver) has to hide cookies as all he wants is sweets, which she rations out.

By HappyPuppy On 2011.07.26 20:34
Actually - my Dad also does as 'abp' describes and I no longer take a bag of candy over. I ration it out in to 8 oz bags and take one over at a time. For cookies, I divide the pkg in half. I also had to stop buying a container of trail mix and instead put out a counted number of prepackaged little trail mix bags. He will eat a quart of ice cream in 2 sittings (same for my husband but he can get away with it LOL) - so I either try to buy smaller sizes or low fat ice cream bars, which I cannot regulate but the individual bags seems to slow him down. Not part of the original question, I guess, but same ball park as it seems to be uncontrolled eating....

By oshroshr On 2011.07.26 22:32
My husband too, sweets all of the time. If there are ten mini candy bars, he can eat they till they are gone. Pie too, Wondered if this was meds or desease.

By LOHENGR1N On 2011.07.26 23:59
Just my two cents worth, most eating disorders seem to be learned. To deal with that We learn other ways or substitutes to replace foods. We learn to say oh we're anxious not hungry. With Parkinson's and our brains not firing correctly I think at times we don't carry on the thought process past we're hungry. Btw no sleep aides and doing pretty good at not buying snacks......however if I slip up and buy them? Poof gone!

By packerman On 2011.07.27 10:22
No-snack attacks; yes-sleep aid(Ambien & Seroquel)

By plcpainter On 2011.07.27 10:40
My husband with pd eats ice cream morning, noon, and night. He sneaks ice cream while I'm out doing chores or watering plants but often doesn't remember to put the scoop back into the dishwasher! Then, I find out. (he does hide the empty containers though!) I usually don't say anything -- I figure, hey he's got to have some pleasures!! But just a tip: Ya' all might want to buy stock in Tillamook ice cream -- sales are way up this year! :)

By rmshea On 2011.07.27 14:27
No sleep aids. But she will eat an entire half gal(or near, whatever the size is) in a day or day and a half. She goes to the vending machine down the hall every night and buys candy. My SIL took over a 5lb box of chocolates and it was gone when I went over the next day--my SIL helped I'm sure, but still. She will only eat normal food if it's prepared or if she goes out--and then it's greasy fast food most of the time. Once ate an entire cheese danish ring in two days--ate it morning, noon and night til it was gone. The family says let her do what she wants.

By buffsrich On 2011.07.29 11:38
snack yes sleep aid no. MIL snacks all the time and expecially after we go to bed. Luckily for us we don't keep "sweets" but do stock lots of fruit.

By oshroshr On 2011.07.29 20:13
My husband on klonipin and seems to have a sweet tooth as well. Especially for candy, snickers. musketeers, baby ruth etc. Eats them till they are gone. Oops forgot pepermint patties.

By karolinakitty On 2011.08.02 07:14
Thanx all for your replies....

Snacks....11
no Sleep aids....10

Yes sleep aids...2
no snacks.........1

Plus most of you regulate OR just don't buy the snacks do overcome this issue.

Gonna send results off to our doc...I think he will be surprised....

By mytngenes On 2011.08.02 16:21
I try not to buy snacks, and if I do, I buy low sugar. Hubby will (literally) eat the jar of jelly if there's nothing else. My sister-in-law constantly buys or cooks him sweets-"cause he really enjoys them"....even when I request that she not do that, and that's a w-h-o-l-e nother issue, ;).

FYI-my hubby is overweight. He's 6ft and weighs abt 300lbs.

By LOHENGR1N On 2011.08.02 16:31
kk, I've been thinking about the snacking thing. I don't know if this is or could be what happens butttt......I had a conversation with one of my daughters several months ago. Asking how I was doing I told Her my Neurologist said We might have to start cutting back on My med's. Upon pressing me as to why I told her I was having trouble with involuntary movement of my mouth and lips. Pressing on for a description I said it's almost like sucking on a hard candy. She said well if it bothers you just pop a candy in your mouth. So I did and boy was I going through candy fast! However this solution produces excess saliva so drooling increased. (another damned if you do, damned if you don't) I wonder if such problems could sub-consciously feed our snacking? If this dyskinesia could drive our snack urge? If somehow our brains interpret the dyskinesia as needing food in our mouth and snacking soothes this response? It would be interesting to hear what your Doc thinks and what others here think about this. Take care, best of luck and hang in there,

By poppadum On 2011.08.03 06:03
Yest to snack attacks, no to sleep aids.

By karolinakitty On 2011.08.03 09:09
Al...good point....I was thinking more along the lines of low blood sugar...just at that period of time.....I am going to get a meter and tracks ours, just for case study. With all the signals messed and your body craving sweets, that was my thought.
One other thing I thought of with those in constant snack attacks, is simply something to do. I know that sounds funny, but, when you look at folks who overeat, there can be those who are bored and eat, depressed and eat. Then there is the "not knowing"..in other words not remembering they just had 2 pieces of pie, they go back for more. Then there is the issues of eating sweets because that is the only thing the stomach can handle. For a long period when first put on requip, that's all he could eat that didn't make his stomach churn and turn. It would be interesting to know the why though......

By parkinit On 2011.08.03 21:27
Yes snack attacks, but not so much anymore (a few years back it was bad), no sleep meds. His neuro said this was part of the disease - PDers love sweets - something activated in the brain, apparently.

By theresa2wyoming On 2011.09.01 10:20
I've been blaming all my husband's food issues on his gastroperisus. Maybe it's a brain thing instead. He can't eat fiber, fat, or sugar, which eliminates most food! It's been frustrating to keep re-educating him on what he can and can't eat. I absolutely hate taking him to the grocery store or a restaurant, since I have to be the "bad guy" and say no to so many things. I try not to have things he likes, but can't have, in the house. That seems to help some. I am thankful for low-fat sugar free ice cream. It has been a sweet treat for him that he tolerates well.

By lurkingforacure On 2011.09.01 14:51
For us, I feel it's blood sugar related. We don't take any sleep aids, either.

My guy hardly eats at all during the day because whatever he eats, even a salad or crackers, makes his meds useless. So he'll go pretty much all day starving, then eat like a snake at night after his last med dose, it's awful. What is particularly hard is we have young kids and he'll eat all of something I need for them, like the cereal, or all of the cheese, and it really messes my meal planning up. I hate to keep telling them that their dad ate something because it is starting to irritate them.

Our snack attacks are not sugar-related. We dont' have ice cream or cookies or things like that in the house but it doesn't matter, my husband will still raid the fridge and pantry after dinner and nothing is safe. Three pound bag of tortilla chips and a vat of salsa? Gone in a few days. I've resorted to hiding the special snacks I don't buy very often like peanut butter crackers and saltines that my kids like because he cannot resist the fat/grease/salt combo-that's his weakness. I've hidden food in the washer, the dryer, our oven, hall closet, my car, even the cat food bin and he eventually finds my latest hiding place. Our house is small and I'm running out of hiding places! If we didn't have kids I'd probably just let him eat any and everything but I need stuff for their breakfasts and lunches which they take to school. It's a tough juggling act, that's for sure. No answers, here, either, just chiming in to say yep, we have that too!

By LotsaBob On 2011.09.01 18:48
I know I wake up in the middle of the night with a sweet tooth. My wife buys the 6oz. size of canned fruit. Pears,peaches,apricots and fruit cocktail. I will open one of those and when I'm done I might have a bowl of "Drumstick" ice cream. I'll watch TV for awhile and then go back to bed. All toll,I might be up for about 45 minutes. This has been going on for about 2 months now. I know I have to stop eating at night but when I get up I'm bored. Hence, the eating.

By ILoveWil On 2011.09.03 23:55
Before my husband Wil fell and broke his hip, everyone in the family kept telling me not to let him eat sweets because they were bad for him. After I found Little Debbies and other treats that he was hiding and hoarding, I just told everybody to leave him alone. After you have lived a long life, I think you deserve, within reason, to eat anything you want to eat. PD takes so much freedom and balance away from a person, that they should have some areas of freedom and control of their own lives. In early June before his fall, I would drop him off at the library, which he loved, and he would cross a busy road sometimes, just to get over to the Krogers Market and buy some of those Little Debbies. I was much more scared of him crossing that road by himself, than I was of him eating too many Debbies. We have to choose our battles don't we? I would give anything today to bring him back and give him all the Debbies he wants to eat.

By karolinakitty On 2011.09.04 11:36
I agree with you I loveWil...with everything my guy has lost to PD, denying him his goodies just doesn't bode well with me or him. He loses and gains weight with these PD meds and his heart is healthy as a horse so why deny him him those little things. Even diabetics have unsweetened treats or treats with no sugar that aren't as bad tasting as they used to be. We have Russell Stovers stores all over the place here in SC and their sugar free candies and chocolates are really good. I myself believe there is some type of drop in blood sugar that causes these cravings OR at least a change in the signal that the body THINKS the blood sugar is low. Or even as Al has said a "tremor" of the mouth causing the want to chew foods.....
My son is on an anti-psychotic that actually changes the "test" results for blood sugar. The blood tests show high blood sugar but the actually body does not have it. I have found that very interesting that a drug can change the test results....

By parkinit On 2011.09.04 18:28
Wow! This topic certainly is a popular one which tells that we all have faced or are facing food issues.

Lurking - I like your analogy to your husband eating like a snake at night - implying he literally is gorging himself. My spouse did this recently and I can't help but chuckle a bit to myself as he complained to our nurse, who visits weekly, that he had been having constipation issues and that his stomach had been hurting significantly the last day or so. I pulled out the large can of cashews, now empty, to show the nurse that THIS is why his stomach hurts. "He ate the entire can, all by himself!" She chastised him; yes, I told on him. My thought was that if he wants sympathy for a malady, let it not be a self-inflicted one! He has curtailed his binge-eating since then.

Conversely, he does love sweets and I don't hinder him from partaking. I agree with ILOVE WIL. Why should I intentionally deprive him of the foods he enjoys, as long as he remains healthy, when he already is deprived of so much through the PD? I try to combine 9grams of fiber in the granola bars with chocolate chips. I make cakes and brownies that are sugar free. I buy fat free pudding and as already mentioned, sugar-free ice cream. There are ways to cut calories, sugar and fat while still allowing the indulgences.

In breads, some cakes and cookies, you can use applesauce to replace the vegetable oil to reduce fat. Try it!

By lurkingforacure On 2011.09.05 08:12
I have a hard time being sympathetic as well when my hubby complains of not feeling well and he's eaten the contents of the refrigerator the night before. Or a box of crackers, or whatever. I know he feels really crappy to begin with but that doesn't help.

I have a related issue I need help with, though, and realize that many here may, fortunately for them, not deal with this. I could handle the nighttime eating probably a LOT better if it didn't impact so much on our kids. So many times I've gone to make them a snack or lunch or whatever and the ingredients I need are either completely gone or the container is so empty I can't use them.

I do need some suggestions on this issue, though, which is, my husband will tell me, if you don't want me eating it, don't tempt me by having it in the house. How can I not have bread and cheese in the house? We already don't have ice cream, cookies, etc. in the house. We have growing little kids and I'm sorry, but I am going to cook bacon a couple of times a month and make eggs and yes, sometimes we will have a pizza which they love. How is it my fault if I buy things and have them in the house that the kids need? I can't just have flour, salt, and water in the pantry, which honestly, I can't say he wouldn't eat anyway at 3am!

I've thought and thought about this and just don't have any answers. I get angry when he says this because I feel like he is trying to make his eating issues my fault somehow. Between eating the ingredients for my meals which messes up the meal plan I try to have, and complaining that the food in the house tempts him too much, I really don't know what to do. Anyone have any suggestions?

By parkinit On 2011.09.16 19:56
Hmm. i'd say to buy an extra fridge for the garage with a lock on it - you are the only keeper of the key. If he complains about this, just state that these are items for meals yuu have planned and want to ensure that the items are still available when they are due to be cooked on your menu.

We have a second fridge in our garage where I put things and sometimes 'hide" things. I haven't had to put a lock on, but it sounds like you may have to do this.


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